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		<title>by: SeattleJew</title>
		<link>http://effinunsound.com/?p=463#comment-49062</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Must be Sharkansky's pooka friend.</description>
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		<title>by: whig</title>
		<link>http://effinunsound.com/?p=463#comment-49052</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well I guess now SeattleJew won't have to answer my question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I guess now SeattleJew won&#8217;t have to answer my question.
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		<title>by: Thehim</title>
		<link>http://effinunsound.com/?p=463#comment-48901</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Whig,
I have no idea what happened.  It certainly wasn't intentional.  I apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whig,<br />
I have no idea what happened.  It certainly wasn&#8217;t intentional.  I apologize.
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		<title>by: whig</title>
		<link>http://effinunsound.com/?p=463#comment-48885</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Thehim</title>
		<link>http://effinunsound.com/?p=463#comment-48847</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>WTF?  There were like 19 comments yesterday!!  Carl, is something going on with our spam filter?  Has it come to life like that retarded robot in Short Circuit and starting deleting valid comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF?  There were like 19 comments yesterday!!  Carl, is something going on with our spam filter?  Has it come to life like that retarded robot in Short Circuit and starting deleting valid comments?
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		<title>by: SeattleJew</title>
		<link>http://effinunsound.com/?p=463#comment-48699</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Back at the McGovern issue, I wish there had been an alternative.  I suspect that McGovern would have done a better job than Nixon but it would have been better yet if we had someone with the wisdom to recognize that we had an opportunity to turn this aorund, reconcile ourselves withe patriotic (Northern) forces who had, after all a large commom interest with us as time has shown.

One reason Brezinski has endorsed Obama is that he seems to have exactly this sort of subtlety.  I can imagne a real sea change in our relations with Cuba, Venezuela, and even Iran.  I like his idea that talk talk is better than war war.

The good thing about the Dems this year is that we DO have choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back at the McGovern issue, I wish there had been an alternative.  I suspect that McGovern would have done a better job than Nixon but it would have been better yet if we had someone with the wisdom to recognize that we had an opportunity to turn this aorund, reconcile ourselves withe patriotic (Northern) forces who had, after all a large commom interest with us as time has shown.</p>
<p>One reason Brezinski has endorsed Obama is that he seems to have exactly this sort of subtlety.  I can imagne a real sea change in our relations with Cuba, Venezuela, and even Iran.  I like his idea that talk talk is better than war war.</p>
<p>The good thing about the Dems this year is that we DO have choices.
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		<title>by: SeattleJew</title>
		<link>http://effinunsound.com/?p=463#comment-48634</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>darrelplant

I did not denigrate McGovern and, FWIW I voted for him.  The alternative was, to me, much worse.  

Thinking we can just poof, like the fairy god mother in Cinderella, seems to me to be very naive ... not unlike, in its simplicity, the thinking from the other side that got us in there in the first place.

Or perhaps I musjudge you.  Tell me

1. how you would withdraw so as to preserve the peace that has been achieved in Northern Iraq?  

2. What would you do if six months after we leave, there are three militais competing, Bosnia style, for control of the central area ... one sponsored by Saudi Araboa and Syria, one be elQaeda, and one by Iran?  

3. Same question, what would you do if a pro-Qom shia group in the South proposes a federation with Iran?  

Take some time for your ansers.  Ther eis no hurry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>darrelplant</p>
<p>I did not denigrate McGovern and, FWIW I voted for him.  The alternative was, to me, much worse.  </p>
<p>Thinking we can just poof, like the fairy god mother in Cinderella, seems to me to be very naive &#8230; not unlike, in its simplicity, the thinking from the other side that got us in there in the first place.</p>
<p>Or perhaps I musjudge you.  Tell me</p>
<p>1. how you would withdraw so as to preserve the peace that has been achieved in Northern Iraq?  </p>
<p>2. What would you do if six months after we leave, there are three militais competing, Bosnia style, for control of the central area &#8230; one sponsored by Saudi Araboa and Syria, one be elQaeda, and one by Iran?  </p>
<p>3. Same question, what would you do if a pro-Qom shia group in the South proposes a federation with Iran?  </p>
<p>Take some time for your ansers.  Ther eis no hurry.
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		<title>by: SeattleJew</title>
		<link>http://effinunsound.com/?p=463#comment-48572</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Whig

Of course I do.  The question now must be not what is the problem, not can we "win," but what is the best outcome we can help to occur?</description>
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<p>Of course I do.  The question now must be not what is the problem, not can we &#8220;win,&#8221; but what is the best outcome we can help to occur?
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		<title>by: SeattleJew</title>
		<link>http://effinunsound.com/?p=463#comment-48330</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dr, Zen ..

I 's[ect if you read my blog, &lt;a href="http://www.seattlejew.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;SeattleJew&lt;/a&gt;, any idea that I spout Reprican talking points will go away quickly.

My stance is this, blame matters.  Bush has made the worst mistakes of any American Leader since Benedict Arnold, William Franklin, or Aaron Burr.  Thise mistakes go way beyond "just" Iraq.  He has done more damage to our economy than Harding and done more to undermine our national security than any President since Lincoln.

Worse, until recently, his party has acted irresponsibly.  If the Republican party were responsible. it would have stepped in long ago.  I guess this is not treason since the Republicans did not do this for a specific enemy, but the effect is unimaginably the same. 

Does that spund like Republican talking points?  

Now the challenge is how to extricate the US from the mess(es) Bush created.  From my reading, he and Rummy were responsible for NOT using Petraeus all along.  Does Bush get credit iof Petraeus does his best now?  Of course not.  BUT, if this talented general can help us find a way out, then we would be ass holes NOT to listen now just as Bush was in the first place.

The most anyone respomsible has sid for the surge is that its shows what might have been done.  It looks a sif we could have engineered a Sunni alliance that wa sin our interests.  It looks a sif interShia conflict will keep Tehran busy.  Guess what their nightmare would be?  A legitimate, oil rich Shia government that reject the Ayotollah's claims ot divine authority (something ALL Muosims outside of Iran, reject!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr, Zen ..</p>
<p>I &#8217;s[ect if you read my blog, <a href="http://www.seattlejew.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">SeattleJew</a>, any idea that I spout Reprican talking points will go away quickly.</p>
<p>My stance is this, blame matters.  Bush has made the worst mistakes of any American Leader since Benedict Arnold, William Franklin, or Aaron Burr.  Thise mistakes go way beyond &#8220;just&#8221; Iraq.  He has done more damage to our economy than Harding and done more to undermine our national security than any President since Lincoln.</p>
<p>Worse, until recently, his party has acted irresponsibly.  If the Republican party were responsible. it would have stepped in long ago.  I guess this is not treason since the Republicans did not do this for a specific enemy, but the effect is unimaginably the same. </p>
<p>Does that spund like Republican talking points?  </p>
<p>Now the challenge is how to extricate the US from the mess(es) Bush created.  From my reading, he and Rummy were responsible for NOT using Petraeus all along.  Does Bush get credit iof Petraeus does his best now?  Of course not.  BUT, if this talented general can help us find a way out, then we would be ass holes NOT to listen now just as Bush was in the first place.</p>
<p>The most anyone respomsible has sid for the surge is that its shows what might have been done.  It looks a sif we could have engineered a Sunni alliance that wa sin our interests.  It looks a sif interShia conflict will keep Tehran busy.  Guess what their nightmare would be?  A legitimate, oil rich Shia government that reject the Ayotollah&#8217;s claims ot divine authority (something ALL Muosims outside of Iran, reject!).
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		<title>by: pigboy</title>
		<link>http://effinunsound.com/?p=463#comment-48294</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 02:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"sparky Says: 

August 25th, 2007 at 4:11 pm 
I quit listening to Brian Baird when he stood on the steps of the Capitol with Tom DeLay and demanded a government intervention in the last hours of Terri Schaivo’s life. "

NO! NO! NO! This can't be true! Say it ain't so! I would have voted for the Democrat running against him if I had been paying more attention. Geez. It's time for him to retire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;sparky Says: </p>
<p>August 25th, 2007 at 4:11 pm<br />
I quit listening to Brian Baird when he stood on the steps of the Capitol with Tom DeLay and demanded a government intervention in the last hours of Terri Schaivo’s life. &#8221;</p>
<p>NO! NO! NO! This can&#8217;t be true! Say it ain&#8217;t so! I would have voted for the Democrat running against him if I had been paying more attention. Geez. It&#8217;s time for him to retire.
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