The Invisible Word in our Constitution
– posted by thehim
I’m amazed at how a falsehood so easily verifiable is repeated so often. Lou Guzzo writes:
The objectors scoff at the fact that our forefathers praised God in virtually everything they did, wrote, or believed. His name is found in the United States Constitution, which they wrote and made the law of the land. It is also found in that noble document, the Declaration of Independence.
Please go to this page and type Ctrl-F. Type the word ‘God’ and click the ‘Next’ button. You will see the following dialog.
What this dialog means is that the people who founded this country did not intend for any particular faith to be considered superior or to be used as a benchmark for patriotism. It means that anyone who says that America was meant to be a Christian nation is ignoring history. And it means that people like Lou Guzzo, who still try to argue that America was meant to be a Christian nation, have to make shit up in order to make their case.
December 10th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
“It is also found in that noble document, the Declaration of Independence.”
Actually, Jefferson’s original draft did not even mention a creator; Franklin demanded the Christian god. Their compromise was the “Creator”, who could have been Thomas Paine’s (decidely non-Christian) god.
“And it means that people like Lou Guzzo, who still try to argue that America was meant to be a Christian nation, have to make shit up in order to make their case.”
Yeah, but lying is OK if you do it for god. Just ask Lou Guzzo; god agrees with Lou on everything. (Just ask Lou.)
December 10th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
Yeah, but lying is OK if you do it for god. Just ask Lou Guzzo; god agrees with Lou on everything. (Just ask Lou.)
I’ll believe it when god tells me so. :)
December 10th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
But Lou is almost as old as god. Does that not count?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
But Lou is almost as old as god. Does that not count?
I used to think wisdom increased with age. Lou is providing a very effective counter-argument.
December 12th, 2007 at 12:15 am
There’s a reason for the old saying, “There’s no fool like an old fool.” Which I constantly mutter under my breath after talking to my ancient, wing-nut father. Of course, I am thoroughly convinced I am a changeling anyway. Just look at the pictures of me with the rest of the family.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:38 am
I think history shows that Lou Guzzo’s generation is the second best generation of people this country has produced – next to the founding fathers. His generation went through the great depression then took a second rate country (the US) and made it the greatest nation and society the world has ever seen. They won WWII and then they did something astounding: they forgave their enemies and helped them to rebuild into first rate countries. You will have to search history mighty hard to find a victor that showed such altruism. His generation built much of the infrastructure that makes our lives so good today. They set the stage for huge technical innovations that have revolutionized people’s lives. To dismiss Lou Guzzo is foolish. He embodies much of the wonderful hopes and dreams that his generation wished for this country – and fulfilled. If you really care about people, we should be working to spread their accomplishments and their vision to other countries, e.g. poor African nations. I suspect Bill and Linda Gates understand this vision – their charitable work takes this vision out to the world. But they are in a minority in this country. If we all got on board with what they are doing, can you imagine the world in another 50 years?
As a result of Lou’s generation, the baby boomer generation became the most educated generation in the world’s history. The technical accomplishments of this generation are fabulous. These accomplishments have truly improved people’s lives. This generation also showed the world that racism and intolerance can be defeated. M. L. King was supported by millions of baby boomers. However, I would argue that this generation was terriblyspoiled, and did not have the same vision as Lou’s generation. Perversely, this generation introduced divisiveness and disrespect for things. The huge counter-culture movements were indicative of this. Our baby boomer Congress really embodies this disease. The generation did only a so-so job of spreading what we could give to the world in the way of improvements. They also put us in a bad light with much of the world. This is exemplified by the Viet Nam war. All great societies reach a peak and go down hill. Did the baby boomers start our slide down hill? Time will tell.
So what is the X-generation going to give to this country? To the world? Can the X-generation take this country to an even greater plateau? I’m not seeing a lot that they are doing to take us to a higher plateau. Better get on the stick folks. I am seeing that this generation is continuing the divisiveness that the baby boomers started. Bad mojo.
I don’t always agree with Lou Guzzo, but I respect him and his generation. Please don’t diss him - it just makes you look the fool. You appear childish and boorish when you choose to be disrespectful. Is this the way you wish to be viewed?
December 13th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Lou Guzzo is a person, not a generation. Many people of his generation are heroes, others are villains. I judge Lou Guzzo on his words, and when he lies about what our Constitution says in order to promote a particular ideology, I’ll call him out for it…every time.
December 13th, 2007 at 10:40 am
I have no problem with you disagreeing with someone. However, calling a person names, e.g. liar, proves the point I was making about divisiveness and disrespect. Do you really think you will influence, make a difference, or in any way change someone’s mind when you behave so boorishly? All you accomplish is to create a deeper rift of hate. Your words say to me, “My goal is to create more hate in the world.” Bad mojo, dude.
This is my first visit to your site and I only recently started visiting Lou Guzzo’s site. Mr. Guzzo is a gentleman. I’ll probably check your site occasionally to see if I can say the same of you.
December 13th, 2007 at 10:54 am
I have no problem with you disagreeing with someone. However, calling a person names, e.g. liar, proves the point I was making about divisiveness and disrespect.
Why? He is a liar. He said that ‘God’ is mentioned in the Constitution. That’s not true, and someone like Guzzo should know that.
Do you really think you will influence, make a difference, or in any way change someone’s mind when you behave so boorishly?
No. I expect to entertain those who find laughter to be a good way to deal with the massive amounts of collective stupidity gripping our country right now.
All you accomplish is to create a deeper rift of hate. Your words say to me, “My goal is to create more hate in the world.” Bad mojo, dude.
I don’t hate Lou Guzzo. I just think he’s a clown.
This is my first visit to your site and I only recently started visiting Lou Guzzo’s site. Mr. Guzzo is a gentleman. I’ll probably check your site occasionally to see if I can say the same of you.
I don’t care about being a gentleman. I care about being right. A lot of “gentlemen” owned slaves. A lot of “gentlemen” advocate torture. A lot of “gentlemen” send innocent people to prison. When it comes to fighting for your country, being a “gentleman” sometimes has to take a back seat.
December 13th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Now I’m confused. You are calling Guzzo a clown and you say, “I expect to entertain those who find laughter…” Does this mean you are both clowns?
PS: I have a couple of brothers who are Seafair clowns, so be careful, I might take offense at your definition of a clown.
December 13th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
Actually, I’m kind of like the ringleader telling others to look at the clown. And if you really want to run with the circus metaphor, you could also say that I’m the guy who shovels up the elephant shit. What we do here is kind of a combination of the two.
You might be surprised that I tend to agree with you about the baby boomer generation. I do agree that they embody a certain level of apathy and laziness that has become a serious problem. But where you and I may disagree is that this phenomenon has become much more manifest among the political right than the political left. For nearly every major crisis we face today, from global warming to our health care mess to the drug war to the Middle East, the political left is being much more sober and responsible than the political right. When I think of the death of personal responsibility in this country as the baby boomers have grown old, I think of Karl Rove, George W. Bush and the modern GOP.
December 13th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
Ah! Maybe you are worth sharing discourses. Though not a guarantee, someone who will take cheap shots at oneself (shit shoveler) usually has a reaonably open mind.
You will find some serious disagreement from me on things, especially as I see both sides of the poitical coin as having gotten into a bitter partisanship that is incredibly destructive. Both sides have developed a religious fervor for their cause(s) that is quite disgusting to me.
Back to you later.
December 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
You will find some serious disagreement from me on things, especially as I see both sides of the poitical coin as having gotten into a bitter partisanship that is incredibly destructive.
It’s not really the partisanship that’s the problem (debate among political factions is a necessary part of a healthy democracy), the problem is that special interests control the people in government and make it nearly impossible to defeat incumbents. The people in Washington DC love to spread the idea that “bitter partisanship” is the problem because it’s an excuse to just keep the status quo and stop arguing about things.
January 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Just wanted to add that even the Declaration of Independance does not include the Christian “God”. Or at least, I’ve never heard the Christian God described anywhere else as “Nature’s God”.
Just for easy reference, here’s the one and only mention of God in the Declaration of Independance: “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
I have heard it said that many of the key Founding Fathers were Deists. That is certainly not what most Christians would like to think.
Anyway, thanks for pointing out this important fact.